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to fight over. is it debt ceiling, is it sequestration, is it the resolution later in march? they could use that bell to call them to order there but it's hard to think that they could find a path. you've got on the one hand, a lot of distension in the rarngs there. but, also, just public opinion seems to be stacked against them. they're on the wrong side of so many issues. they seem to be wanting to plot a course right in the near term. but i think on the other hand, if you look at what democrats are doing, they're trying to chart a course that looks more like where america is more broadly. of course it would put them in good standing for 2014 and 2016. >> now, wes, when we look at the fact that they seem to be further and further away. committee reports that many republicans scoff at the idea of a debt ceiling disaster. and it reads, let me read this to you, to these conservatives, hitting the debt ceiling is no armageddon and the idea of default is just a scare tactic. and they claim not to be frightened. i mean, we could have different opinions, but we can't have different facts. the de
, give the weight of what happens if we breech the debt ceiling? social security checks will be late, veterans benefits delayed, troops won't get paid, tax returns held up, interest rates could spike, markets could go hay wooir. it could dip into the recession. deficit would go up. i mean, we're talking about a very punishing thing that will affect american people who had nothing to do with what they're trying to object to or deal with. >> you oo >> you're absolutely right. congress spent that money. they spent it. whether they liked it or not, they were the ones who spent it. but it's more important than that. it's what you point out. the stakes here are really high for the republican party. far be it from you to advise the republican party. but if i did, i would say stay away from shutting the government down. stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the seques
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